OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2

Tue Sep 7 00:04:58 PDT 2004

Re: Contents of OmniOutliner-Users digest...

Hello,
second try, there is a mistake, I was talking about More!
So is it possible to incorporate into OmniOutliner the possibility to 
paste or import graphics such as chemical formulae into the notes? This 
was and still is possible with More 3.0 and 3.1 which, by the way still 
run under Mac OS X 10.3.5, albeit in the Classic system.

Nic
Am 05.09.2004 um 21:00 schrieb omnioutliner-users-request at omnigroup.com:

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>    1. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 (Karen)
>    2. Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 (L&L Pfeffer)
>    3. Re: small update (Ted Goranson)
>    4. Re: small update (Adrian Smith)
>    5. Re: small update (Bill Cheeseman)
>    6. Re: small update (Mark Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:18:55 +0100
> From: Karen <Karen at curlypaws.com>
> Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1
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>>
>> We're hard at work on Outliner 3 still. Things are shaping up pretty
>> nicely.
>>
>> One thing that I'm interested in finding out is what file formats are
>> folks interested in exporting to?
>>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing OO3.
>
> As far as my use of OO, I would like to see it able to interchange with
> Word, Powerpoint, Keynote and NovaMind.  These are the ones that are
> important to me (plus OG, of course).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karen
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:44:07 -0400
> From: L&L Pfeffer <lpfeffer at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: OmniOutliner-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1
> To: omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
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>> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:59:53 -0700
>> From: James Moore <jam at omnigroup.com>
>> Subject: small update
>> ...
>> One thing that I'm interested in finding out is what file formats are
>> folks interested in exporting to?
>
> Here's my list:
>
> Nisus Writer
>
> any format Open Office will read
>
> Can you also have files that Palm Desktop and iCal will read?
>
> James, can you give us an approximate release date yet?
>
> --Liz
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:22:35 -0400
> From: Ted Goranson <tedg at alum.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: small update
> To: OmniOutliner-Users at omnigroup.com
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>>> One thing that I'm interested in finding out is what file formats are
>>> folks interested in exporting to?
>
> Word outliner round trip is a must for survival. Docbook, ConTEXt and
> Tinderbox are required to capture or keep the powerusers in my
> estimation.
>
> Ted Goranson
> -- 
> Ted Goranson
> About This Particular Outliner
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:31:45 +1000
> From: Adrian Smith <adrianslists at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: small update
> To: OmniOutliner-Users mail <omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com>
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> At 6:40 AM -0400 4/9/04, Bill Cheeseman wrote:
>> on 2004-09-04 6:10 AM, Adrian Smith at adrianslists at optusnet.com.au 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  The Excel export sounds great - how are thinking it would work?
>>
>> You can do this now. Export as tab-delimited text and open the 
>> exported file
>> in Excel. I just wrote an AppleScript yesterday that does this -- 
>> using GUI
>> Scripting to export as tab-delimited text, and using Excel's 
>> wonderful new
>> scripting dictionary to open the exported files, insert formulas where
>> desired, and calculate.
>>
>> --
>
>
>
> It might work with some fiddling but it doesn't seem to be
> straight-forward with multi-column outlines. For example, if I have
> column of figures (budget estimates) those numbers end up in the cell
> next to their text in Excel.  This means that for a multi-level
> outlines the numbers don't line up in Excel...
>
> Do you know a way around this?
>
> Adrian
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 06:04:42 -0400
> From: Bill Cheeseman <wjcheeseman at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: small update
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> on 2004-09-04 10:31 PM, Adrian Smith at adrianslists at optusnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
>> It might work with some fiddling but it doesn't seem to be
>> straight-forward with multi-column outlines. For example, if I have
>> column of figures (budget estimates) those numbers end up in the cell
>> next to their text in Excel.  This means that for a multi-level
>> outlines the numbers don't line up in Excel...
>
> I see tabbing anomalies when exporting to Excel. Actually, I see this 
> in the
> exported tab-delimited file even when I open it in a text editor. I 
> haven't
> analyzed what's happening, but it seems as if the extra tabs come from 
> the
> way the outline is indented: every indentation step gets a tab, and 
> every
> column gets a tab, too. And maybe blank cells/columns aren't getting a 
> tab
> at all.
>
> If I'm right about this, then you can either (a) control it by how you
> indent and populate the outline, or (b) account for it by how you 
> format and
> write formulas for the Excel worksheet. I did the latter, and it worked
> fine.
>
> I don't know whether to think about this as a bug or a feature. If a
> feature, documentation would be good.
>
> --
>
> Bill Cheeseman - wjcheeseman at earthlink.net
> Quechee Software, Quechee, Vermont, USA
> http://www.quecheesoftware.com
>
> The AppleScript Sourcebook - http://www.AppleScriptSourcebook.com
> Vermont Recipes - http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/VermontRecipes
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun,  5 Sep 2004 14:03:06 +0200
> From: Mark Smith <mark at bbprojects.net>
> Subject: Re: small update
> To: Ted Goranson <tedg at alum.mit.edu>,	omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
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> Ted Goranson wrote:
>
>>>> One thing that I'm interested in finding out is what file formats 
>>>> are
>>>> folks interested in exporting to?
>>
>> Word outliner round trip is a must for survival. Docbook, ConTEXt and
>> Tinderbox are required to capture or keep the powerusers in my
>> estimation.
>
> DocBook could be big. It would need to be done well though.
>
> Tinderbox and (La|Xe|Con)TeX(t) would be my other prefs, but, if it 
> came to the crunch (resources being limited), I'd suggest you do LaTeX 
> and (as somebody else suggested) a very simple "vanilla XML" export. 
> The "powerusers" (I dislike this phrase, but don't have a better one) 
> that Ted is talking about, could probably bend the vanilla XML to give 
> something useful in Tinderbox and could modify the LaTeX transform for 
> other TeX macros.
>
> mark.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:12:09 -0400
> From: Paul List Hess <hess2 at yacht.com>
> Subject: Re: small update
> To: James Moore <jam at omnigroup.com>, omnioutliner-users at omnigroup.com
> Message-ID: <p06100501bd60b21cff10@[68.246.121.228]>
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> At 2:59 PM -0700 9/3/04, James Moore wrote:
>> One thing that I'm interested in finding out is what file formats are 
>> folks interested in exporting to?
>
> Hi James,
>
> I have not been actively reading this list in recent months so 
> apologies both for any duplication and for answering your question 
> more generally that you might want.  Maybe I represent the great 
> unwashed "silent majority".  ;)
>
> I would love to see any capabilities that increase Palm compatibility 
> and synchronization, perhaps by being Brainforest compatible, 
> alliances with other vendors, or by developing your own Palm 
> browser/editor.
>
> I would also like to see compatibility with graphic formats.  "More" 
> used to be able to easily move between a graphic and an outline mode.  
> Failing that, you could perhaps "export" an outline to a graphic tree 
> format for printing.
>
>                                       - Paul
>
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